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Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 29, 2009, 12:42 AM // 00:42

HvH is a joke anyway. We should still be able to roll in (random) arena's when there is a stalemate, i don't want to get dishonor by leeching/leaving and i don't want to fight for 8 minutes just so i can reload back into town.

Doesn't matter though, just hop on for 30 minutes and win 6 games with the cookie cutter i got off wiki (yay!), thats how bad HvH is.

Apollo Smile · Apr 29, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43

They can delete HB and turn the island into a marketplace.

Improvavel · Apr 29, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

The only problem is that ANET doesn't understand people either want to PLAY PvE OR THEY WANT TO PLAY PvP.

The solution is simple! Don't MIX PvE WITH PvP.

I can play PvE! I can play PvP! I don't want to be playing PvP while I'm playing PvE or vice-versa.

Guildwars has loads of sub communities.

The largest ones are the PvP, the PvE and those that do PvE and PvP.

When I play PvP I generally use a PvP character. And if people use PvE characters to play PvP is more because the damn PvP only very recent allowed "good looking" (and efficient too) stuff and is still so damn restrictive.

Don't mix PvE and PvP rewards and you are done. Allow players to pimp their characters in PvE if they play PvE and into PvP if they play PvP.

I know that pure PvP players need less character slots and less storage panes so less income to Anet. But that is your problem to fix Anet.

Ate of DK · Apr 29, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Longasc

You are so right.

But imagine - no Hero Battles, fewer Xunlai Tournament House predictions and less stuff to win.

I guess people will shoot me when I say the Zaishen Chest idea got out of control, too.

I always pick the first 8 on the list. I don't even know who they are, what guild they play for. HB could be removed from the game and I wouldn't even notice it. I prefer larger battles without heroes who perform above average. A large part of the GW players is really baaad at the game.

bhavv · Apr 29, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by faraaz

LMAO @ OP.

What the hell are you thinking? You are pissed that you cant abuse the game anymore to farm titles? Tell it to someone who cares...IMO this is the best thing to happen to HB in a long time. GG Anet. I <3 u!

You have got to be completely joking right? Have you been in HB at all since the update?

Anet made it even worse .... Oh no, sorry, better for when I was getting my 6 wins for Z mish, because now it is even simpler then ever!!!

Red team resigns.

FTW !!!! You dont even have to type /roll. If two people who are playing are just wanting fast points for Z mish, red team leaves, blue team gets win.

One person left for one of my 6 required wins, I got the remaining 5 from lameway using SF ellys. I am not trying to compete on the leaderboard, or manipulate the ladder in anyway, I just want my Z mish wins !!!!!

Heres a better idea - allow unrated challenges to count for the Z mish objective? So that way the flood of PVE players entering PVP to get their coins can do it without disrupting the ladder? Isnt that a much fairer solution?

Bekkr · Apr 29, 2009, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

They should've removed HB from the game instead of /roll. The latter is used more.

Truth.
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reetkever · Apr 29, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Why are we, the playerbase, not allowed to play the game the way we want? Why are we not allowed to have fun on our way? Why?

Because not everyone likes playing the game YOUR way. I, for one, find useless rolling plain annoying. Especially when some 12 year old kid spams the entire chat full with it.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

/roll was removed from pvp because in hero battles, players used it to decide the outcome of matches and farm the title quickly. How is this bad? If they have fun this way, why not let them be? I do not understand this fascistical reaction from ArenaNet. If people have fun playing the game a certain way and it doesn't hurt anybody, why should it be removed? Unimaginable.

Did the fast faction farming hurt anyone? No. Did abusing the Challenge missions for quick maxing out the Lightbringer title hurt anyone? No. The point is that you should PLAY the game instead of cheat your way to the title. You shouldn't farm your title quickly. What else do you want, instant maxing out every title in the game with 1 press on the button? Unlimited gold? Sure these things might seem fun, but it takes away the gameplay in this game.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Most importantly. This fix extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. If you consider rolling in HvH a problem, then solve the problem, do not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO over all the other pvp modes. Why are we not allowed to roll in gvg, tomz, ab, ra, or ta? Rolling has never had a negative impact on these playstyles. Why should it be banned?

Why WOULD you be allowed to roll in the PvP areas? Did it ever occur to you that it's plain annoying? Sure, it has some uses, but nothing that can't be solved with other manners.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

I have had lots of fun rolling randomly in AB or GvG, just to kill time while waiting, or to do funny games. "ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS!" Fun. Every time I win HoH everyone gets these random items noone needs. We always casino roll for them. None of this is possible anymore.

HoH drops noone needs? If nobody needs them just let them stay on the ground. And since when is "ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS ROFLLOLOLOL XD" so funny? :S

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Originally Posted by Kaon

This isn't really that big of a deal. I do think it's yet another perfect example of Anet not really having a clue what's going on and fixing the problem overdramatically causing much more harm than good. Something that has been happening in PvP since... forever. Also I hate it when a liberty of mine is taken away for no good reason whatsoever.

They have their reasons. Do you honestly think A-Net would waste recources and valueable time on doing useless stuff? If you really think it's not that big of a deal, just let it rest and enjoy the game. You must admit you're being a bit overdramatic yourself here :P

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Originally Posted by Kaon

I payed 180euros for this game. I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else, why am I not allowed to do this?

First off, people typing "LOLOL ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS" DO spoil my fun. Also, the idea that some cheaters get the title way faster than me, who worked very hard for it, spoils my fun as well.

Secondly, It's not your game. This game, together with your entire account, belongs to A-Net. You have to play it A-Net's way, or not play it at all.

Improvavel · Apr 29, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Because not everyone likes playing the game YOUR way. I, for one, find useless rolling plain annoying. Especially when some 12 year old kid spams the entire chat full with it.

Turn the emote chat off?

Hanging Man · Apr 29, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Kaon

How is this bad?

using /roll to determine the outcome of any battle is just plain stupid. The reason, I believe, they took it away is because that is not how you win a battle. Whatever happened to actually trying? When did players become so lazy and unsatisfied that they turned to chance for a win? Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of a "battle" to do /roll?

In my mind I think Anet made a good move.

[DE] · Apr 29, 2009, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Heres a better idea - allow unrated challenges to count for the Z mish objective? So that way the flood of PVE players entering PVP to get their coins can do it without disrupting the ladder? Isnt that a much fairer solution?

Or here's a novel idea... THEY COULD PLAY HB AS INTENDED. The whole point of the Zaishen quests is to expose players to content that they may have previously passed up or dismissed. A little exposure to ladder play in HB never hurt anyone. It's not like high ranked players are going to get matched up with the swarms of PvE'rs trying to complete the quest. All the PvE'rs are going to get matched against each other, hopefully making HB not to frustrating for them. I'm not sure why everyone has to find a quick way to exploit HB, whether it be with /roll or 'x colored' cape leaves. Just play the game.

Improvavel · Apr 29, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Hanging Man

using /roll to determine the outcome of any battle is just plain stupid. The reason, I believe, they took it away is because that is not how you win a battle. Whatever happened to actually trying? When did players become so lazy and unsatisfied that they turned to chance for a win? Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of a "battle" to do /roll?

In my mind I think Anet made a good move.

You know you are wrong. Not in the opinion that roll too win is bad, but in the root of the problem.

People that do HB should want to be defeating the other person in a battle not with a roll.

So why do people that don't want to do that go to HB?

Because rewards and objectives that are supposed to be PvE are given in PvP areas (and what is the damn zaishen title? PvE or PvP?)

None of the PvP titles should count for the PvE KoaBD title.

How do you think people that want to go do a HB or a GvG would feel if they had to go, before that match, farm some pve item?

Actually we know how they feel! They had to play PvE to unlock stuff. For some that was ok because they like both. But for people that only wanted to play PvP having to play PvE first was frustrating.

DreamWind · Apr 29, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

LMAO at anybody (including Anet) who thinks this solves any problems whatsoever. The players will simply find another way to abuse the system, and from what I am told they have already done so. It amazes me how Anet or anybody else thinks these little stupid changes are going to fix anything, when the real problems are rooted much deeper in the game. Think: Why do people /roll?

Improvavel · Apr 29, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

LMAO at anybody (including Anet) who thinks this solves any problems whatsoever. The players will simply find another way to abuse the system, and from what I am told they have already done so. It amazes me how Anet or anybody else thinks these little stupid changes are going to fix anything, when the real problems are rooted much deeper in the game. Think: Why do people /roll?

Oh noes, are we going to agree in something for just once

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 29, 2009, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Wow just tried, played a lvl 19 >.<, this title is still farmable

Robbeh The Mad · Apr 29, 2009, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Kaon

I have had lots of fun rolling randomly in AB or GvG, just to kill time while waiting, or to do funny games. "ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS!" Fun..

lulz O noes I can'tz play biggest penis game nemoarz

This has to the the most ridicules thing I've ever read on Guru, and that is really saying something about this whole thread.

MOAR QQz for the interwebz machine!

bhavv · Apr 29, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by [DE]

Or here's a novel idea... THEY COULD PLAY HB AS INTENDED. The whole point of the Zaishen quests is to expose players to content that they may have previously passed up or dismissed. A little exposure to ladder play in HB never hurt anyone. It's not like high ranked players are going to get matched up with the swarms of PvE'rs trying to complete the quest. All the PvE'rs are going to get matched against each other, hopefully making HB not to frustrating for them. I'm not sure why everyone has to find a quick way to exploit HB, whether it be with /roll or 'x colored' cape leaves. Just play the game.

HB is intended to be playable unrated? Otherwise there wouldnt be an unrated option.

I couldnt give the smallest crap about advancing my HB rank or being in the top 1000, playing unrated battles is just as much fun as playing rated ones is.

Hardly anyone likes HB anyway, flagging heroes around is just a stupid mechanic, but going in for 6 quick wins with elly power is fun. But competing on the ladder takes the fun out of it for a lot of people.

I dont play RA or TA to compete on a ladder right? Same with HA? Being forced to have to enter the ranked HB game just for 6 wins for Zaishen coins is just as stupid as /rolling or 'red team leaves' is.

Look at it, no one wants to bother with playing through HB, they just want their damn coins.

It would be awesome to just have a heroes arena like RA, but with heroes. No shrines, no caps, just go in with your hero team and kill stuff for consecutive wins.

That would be 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x to the power of infinity more enjoyable than the current rubbish HB is.

[DE] · Apr 29, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by bhavv

HB is intended to be playable unrated? Otherwise there wouldnt be an unrated option.

I couldnt give the smallest crap about advancing my HB rank or being in the top 1000, playing unrated battles is just as much fun as playing rated ones is.

Hardly anyone likes HB anyway, flagging heroes around is just a stupid mechanic, but going in for 6 quick wins with elly power is fun. But competing on the ladder takes the fun out of it for a lot of people.

I dont play RA or TA to compete on a ladder right? Same with HA? Being forced to have to enter the ranked HB game just for 6 wins for Zaishen coins is just as stupid as /rolling or 'red team leaves' is.

Look at it, no one wants to bother with playing through HB, they just want their damn coins.

Considering you don't give a 'crap' about your HB rating then playing a rated match over an unrated shouldn't matter. It's no different and at the very least it will stimulate the ladder and knock a few inactive accounts off. And saying hardly anyone likes HB is just stupid. Not to mention bringing up RA/TA/HA ladders considering they are non-existent. People need to stop bitching over optional quests. People act like they desperately need Zoins and that Anet is giving them the short end of the stick. I hardly saw anyone bitching over the GvG quest, so why this one?

Anyways this conversation is far off-topic. I don't agree with what Kaon says but itt troll attempt.

Apollo Smile · Apr 29, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Lets /roll to have this stupid thread closed.

Ginger Hunter · Apr 29, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34

tbh if anyone suggested /roll i'd just roll them and ignore anything they said

DreamWind · Apr 29, 2009, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

Oh noes, are we going to agree in something for just once

Oh Noezzzzzzzzz....hell hath frozen over. This thread must be bad now.